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Religion: 05/26/04 - 07:18:12 Posted By: Dan

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them."
(Ecclesiasticus 38:4)

"And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."  
(Ezekiel 47:12)

". . .as Haoma is the plant of eternal life, it is but natural that one of his first priests should have been the first healer."
(Vendidad, Fargard XX, page 226)



FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH OF COGNIZANCE

1. In 1994 we recorded our intent to unite, as a multi-denominational Ethno-Socio-Religious Institute, a previously unrecognized Ethnic Minority that utilizes/relies upon cannabis religiously. Explaining that we follow Neo-Zoroastrian tenets. Reasoning that the Zoroastrian scripture, the Avesta, were the least convoluted as well as most ancient source of beliefs and practices in accordance with our own.

2.  The Avesta of Zoroastrianism declares that "no wily priest are needed", inferring that Haoma, (aka cannabis) questions the user direct! It provokes thought! For this reason we have no "wily priest"; leaders in our organization are known as Enlightened Cogniscenti (EC), we do not want to do the thinking for others, whom themselves have a perfectly good mind. We seek only to enlighten others of seemingly hidden truths that we have discovered.

3.  We have looked into various methods of organization for our church, in a way that maintains "separation of church and state".  Some may assert that organizing a church as a "corporation sole" isn't as bad as organizing a church as a non-profit 501c3 tax-exempt religious corporation. But such an argument is just quibbling over different shades of gray. A "corporate sole" church cannot be supported and defended biblically, any more so than can the non-profit incorporated church. They are both corporations, brought into existence by the State, regulated by the State, and made subordinate to the State. They "render unto Caesar" that which should never be relegated under the authority of the State to govern, regulate or render.  This is why we have chosen to remain a "Free Church". Established and concretized through our public recording of the creation of The Church Of Cognizance in 1994; that the world may be aware of our form of existence.

4. A democracy that recognizes only man made laws perforce obliterates the concept of Liberty as a divine right.

5. Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. And the law is the definition and limitation of power.
Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)(emphasis added)
A Ticket to Liberty, November 1990 edition, page 146,(emphasis added)


 The Church Of Cognizance plans, as finance becomes available, to:
 
1. Wave our flag higher by publishing in world read newspapers
2. Begin a theological institute that teaches history of religion with emphasis on cannabis
3. Present a Constitutional challenge to existing laws that obstruct the personal choice to use naturally occurring substances; a Natural Right bestowed upon all by the creative forces of nature itself.


 Any personal information you disclose to us (address, phone, email, etc.) is held in confidence and will never be shared with any others.

 
The items and prices shown here supersede any and all other lists and order forms published elsewhere, including those shown in our books.
 The Church Of Cognizance Cultural Information Center nor dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPorium engage in the "sale of merchandise, products or services." This ministry operates on a "suggested donation" basis. If you make any selections and payments here it is understood that you are in agreement with the suggested donation price, as published, and the use and dispersion of such funds by Danuel and/or Mary Quaintance, the founding cogniscenti, in any manner they see fit toward promoting the mission and/or ministry of the Church Of Cognizance.



If you are unable to pay the suggested donation price, please write this ministry with a request for what materials you are seeking, what you intend to use them for, what you are able to afford and why (e.g. "I'm in prison and only get paid 25 cents a day for making license plates"). We will consider and respond to all serious, legitimate and reasonable requests.

Your kind donations help make possible the free distribution of materials and services provided by this Church Of Cognizance Cultural Information Center and dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPorium (Arizona, United States) Donations made by use of the above button are made via Paypal.(California, USA)


Because we are a persecuted Ethno-socio-religious minority, a declaration of our beliefs is probably one of the most important items to have.  It should be Notarized to make it admissible as evidence of your pre-existing beliefs (the ultimate would be to record at your county recorders office, because this is a way of obtaining certified copies if something were to happen to the original, also, in law it is considered to be raising a flag to put the world on notice of a claimed right)
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/declaration.pdf

To claim "registered" membership in the COC you should read "The Church Of Cognizance Introduced" and fill out and return the pledge at the end of it to the stated address.
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/pledge.pdf

I am working on an online version, so far it will send me the information so I can put it in the database, you can use it to get the info to me fast but for now I would prefer to have a snail-mail copy sent to the address shown so we have a valid signature on file.
http://enlightener.net/enroll

A Pledge Certificate that you can frame and hang to remind you of your pledge is at
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/coc_pledge.pdf

An IOMM Charter declaring your authority is at
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/IOMM-CHARTER.PDF

I just discovered the link in downloads for the program we use to print our member ID cards was broken it has been updated by making a copy I had available. It is at

http://haoma.org/coc/download/vbglt600.zip

the size should be set for "5371 Business Card" on these following card sets that you can download and use.
You can print on blank card stock and cut out by hand or use the perforated ones at wal-wart.

The front of the Member ID Card
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/member.CFM

The back of the Member ID Card
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/member-backs.CFM

The front of the our business card
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/danmary.CFM

We put this on the back of some of our business cards for friendsrolleyes
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/ruwasted.CFM

We print Sanctuary signs on card stock, sticker paper, magnet paper, shirts and hats. Sanctuary signs are located at
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/sanctuary.pdf

Plant tags we print on sticker paper then trim into 4 tags that can be folded around a stick and placed with the plant or attached to the potter or grow chamber or whatever will likely be taken as evidence…
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/plant_tags.pdf

The 16 pages we recorded in 1994 is here
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/coc-recording.pdf

Cannabis The Facts
an early writing of mine from 1996
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/FACTS.PDF

My translated copy of the Hom Yasht (Marijuana Hymn) from the Avesta.
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/y9to11s.PDF

Mary and I occasionally make some Ceramic Ornamentation for the Church Of Cognizance that depicts articles used for thousands of years in our religion
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/pipes.pdf

Scanned pages about Kaf pipe in biblical archeology from "The Great American Hemp Industry; By Jack Fraizer")
http://haoma.org/coc/documents/kaf_pipe.PDF

I WILL BE MAKING MORE UPDATES LATER
Hope this helps all who have been waiting so long…. and please let me know if anything needs fixed.



 Any personal information you disclose to us (address, phone, email, etc.) is held in confidence and will never be shared with any others.

 
The items and prices shown here supersede any and all other lists and order forms published elsewhere, including those shown in our books.
 The Church Of Cognizance Cultural Information Center nor dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPorium engage in the "sale of merchandise, products or services." This ministry operates on a "suggested donation" basis. If you make any selections and payments here it is understood that you are in agreement with the suggested donation price, as published, and the use and dispersion of such funds by Danuel and/or Mary Quaintance, the founding cogniscenti, in any manner they see fit toward promoting the mission and/or ministry of the Church Of Cognizance.



If you are unable to pay the suggested donation price, please write this ministry with a request for what materials you are seeking, what you intend to use them for, what you are able to afford and why (e.g. "I'm in prison and only get paid 25 cents a day for making license plates"). We will consider and respond to all serious, legitimate and reasonable requests.

Your kind donations help make possible the free distribution of materials and services provided by this Church Of Cognizance Cultural Information Center and dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPorium (Arizona, United States) Donations made by use of the above button are made via Paypal.(California, USA)


Pax vobiscum (L. Peace be with you)
  Thanks
    dan of dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPORIUM


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Comments on this article:

Membership Dues
05/26/04 - 08:47:00 Posted By: Dan


Non-voting Membership in the Church Of Cognizance is FREE.  If you would like to be a FULL member and have your say in decisions made affecting the COC annual dues are $5.00 U.S.

 Thanks
Container Tags
08/26/04 - 13:38:58 Posted By: Dan

You can download a full sheet image in .pdf format and print on sticker paper cut into strips and place folded in half attached to the bottom outside of a bag, or can be put around a storage container.

http://haoma.org/coc/documents/container-tags.pdf
sanctuary
09/03/04 - 21:49:42 Posted By: dan in colorado

thanks for being there for people i also support and i feel supported now too.serendipity is high coincidence- i saw some of your materiels, and laughed out loud with joy!as a scientist,and buhdist at all the mention of mice. i had a mouse colony and spent last winter studying and learning from these gentle friends.there are murders in that community too, and we can learn so much (sorry to kill anyone's buzz). also free association,the brain function,and cognative receptors discussion made sense .thank you for that.
Thanks and another link to include in packet
09/08/04 - 03:44:00 Posted By: Dan

Thanks Dan in Colorado, when we get a review like yours, it makes all our effort that much more enjoyable and seemingly worthwhile.

Here's another link to a page I call "Try all things" based on the passage from theologians which instructs to "hold fast to that which is good".

http://haoma.org/coc/documents/try_all_things.htm
 


 Enlightened Cogniscenti Danuel D. Quaintance
Our First Internet Website 1995
09/08/04 - 03:59:55 Posted By: Dan

Here is a link to an archived copy of our first website on the internet. Still has information found no where else on the internet! Some links may not work because the host is not being used anymore, and our email has changed because of this as well.

http://haoma.org/coc/1st_site/welcome.html
Affidavit by Danuel D. Quaintance
07/24/05 - 20:27:11 Posted By: Dan

This is a statement in the form of affidavit giving FACTUAL Evidence connecting the "Tree of Life" with "Marijuana" through recent archaeological discoveries, and a 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. Then asking that laws against cultivation, possession, and use be ruled null and void on the grounds they cause excess entanglement between Church and State.

http://haoma.org/coc/documents/Affidavit.pdf [2.4 meg so please allow time to download this is with signature and seal of the church ]

http://haoma.org/coc/documents/Affidavit.htm  is not signed nor stamped but will display in a browser

Pax Vobiscum
   Enlightened Cogniscenti Danuel Q
RE: Affidavit by Danuel D. Quaintance
07/26/05 - 02:43:07 Posted By: Dan

the Affidavit.htm link above didn't work the way I wanted so for now I just put the text in the general forum you can get to it with this link below

http://haoma.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=forum&board=Welcome&op=displaysticky&num=60
This may win the war !
07/26/05 - 10:16:07 Posted By: Bari Wyte

I am currently on trial for the alleged possession of .04 gram of something.
So far it cost me $757.50 to stay out of jail when busted on my birth day July fourth. Its High time the worshipers of the black cloth realize that they are the aggressors and we pray that all those in jail right now will soon be liberated- thanks Dan n Mary !!
500 university economists endorse M J
07/26/05 - 10:37:33 Posted By: Bari Wyte

Marijuana Policy Project
P.O. box 77492
Capitol Hill
Washington DC 20013

www.prohibitioncosts.org

All of these economists are listed as petitioning congress to legalize and not jephardize the general public any longer. Sign thier petition as well!!
Missionery work in Ann Arbor MI.
08/08/05 - 08:12:41 Posted By: Danny Ray Hardesty

pleas send breef on Curch of Cognezenc,I want to canvis the U of M,Will be hear for a coopel of weeks,things are on hold betwean me and sandra,cot is on the 19 of Sept,in Flag.
Tri-fold pamphlet of the COC introduced
10/20/05 - 07:20:07 Posted By: Dan

Here is a new version 10-20-05 of the Church Of Cognizance Introduced. This is a Tri-fold double sided pamphlet and enrollment pledge for the COC.  Making a very handy handout for Concerts and other types of gathering.


http://haoma.org/coc/documents/COC_introduced.pdf
The Church was just INVADED
01/05/06 - 10:43:09 Posted By: Bari Wyte

As three agents ftom the DEA, with forthought (holders of Dan's Cards) tried to forceably enter the COC Sanctuary. All of us arrested, and tried, await the outcome of this attack on freedom. Will the authorities whom have taken an oath of office, to the corperation of the US or whatever they say they are, be culpable of hate crimes from now on ? OR can a Fereral INjunction be asked for? OR can there be a Civil Suit filed on our behalf to protect US from THEM ?

Is there any other least restrictive way to give "them" a gracefull way out of this indescretion that has continued for over 70 years ? REMEMBER the ALLAH MO. !! Thats the show me State, for all you rubes out there who think these laws represent you, or protect you, or that your elected representitives, are voting in your best interests. OR that a war is being fought to win a democracy that insures freedom and JUSTus for ALL.
peace
01/20/06 - 14:51:36 Posted By: mari

Dan,Mary thanks for all available inf. justlove your site.Keep up the great work.        Mari
dea holding founders without bond
02/26/06 - 14:48:15 Posted By: venessa

I just wanted to post this message to all who may not know about the illegal arrest and false imprisonment of E.C. Dan and E.C. Mary.  They were on official buisness of the church, procuring sacred sacrament when they were detained they are now being held at the dona ana county detention facility in las cruces, new mexico.  We want all to know that everything is being done day and night to fight for their immediate release.  All thoughts and comments are welcome.  venessa
Any recent new's on Dan and Mary ?
03/04/06 - 07:45:45 Posted By: Andy

I do believe I am a registered member of the C.O.C., not a very involved one yet, but that open for change.

I have been aware of the violation on Dan, Mary, the Church, and other's.  This is all very wrong and we can only pray that our right to believe will be respected and honored.

What is needed, if not done, is a Legal Fund to be set up so that financial help can be raised for this legal battle.

I do pray for the safety and health of all involved.

Andy
ILEGAL ARRESTS OF DAN & MARI  
03/12/06 - 15:09:59 Posted By: Fernando

I was in the countey pokey with Dan in LC,NM tired and a finer human being I will never met.  His struggle is just and the feeling is right.  EC Dan held me in his arms and comforted me thru my long first night in New Mexico's Abu Graib prison in Cruces.  Dan is right on when he says remember the ALLAH MO. Dan is also right on when he speaks of providing aid in the hot desert to my Mexican brothers and sisters seeking a better life in fortress U.S. Long live EC Dan and Mari and thre struggle to perserve our freedom and rights to grow and smoke what comes from the land and therfore from God (ALLAH) himself.  May he bless you all and help you and me in our legal battles to come.

Fernando de Mexico Nuevo EE UU
ILEGAL ARRESTS OF DAN & MARI  
03/12/06 - 15:10:01 Posted By: Fernando

I was in the countey pokey with Dan in LC,NM tired and a finer human being I will never met.  His struggle is just and the feeling is right.  EC Dan held me in his arms and comforted me thru my long first night in New Mexico's Abu Graib prison in Cruces.  Dan is right on when he says remember the ALLAH MO. Dan is also right on when he speaks of providing aid in the hot desert to my Mexican brothers and sisters seeking a better life in fortress U.S. Long live EC Dan and Mari and thre struggle to perserve our freedom and rights to grow and smoke what comes from the land and therfore from God (ALLAH) himself.  May he bless you all and help you and me in our legal battles to come.

Fernando de Mexico Nuevo EE UU
the consititution and the drug war
03/24/06 - 07:25:21 Posted By:



Thomas Jefferson said that he sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. Jefferson on weishaupt there is no secrecy in our endeavors to render men wise & virtuous, then he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose .in the 12th amendment where is the people right to vote it not there! he sold out to this secret society. was the Louisiana purchase his reward a feather in his cap!In the controlled substances act in section 801a it states that the controlled substances act is an international treaty (casus foederis) Oakland cannabis cooperative case (00-151)532 u.s. 483 (2001) is (case made federal casus foederis).
In the united states constitution, the united states is made up of a compact this is the 50 states an in that compact the states give to the general government special purposes,-- delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving each state to itself,the right to self government by 2/3 or 3/4 the states vote for their representatives that will represent them in the general government this is called (non casus foederis) HEADS OF STATES this is the government we have chosen.in the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions section # 2 it says that if the freedom of the press speech or religion is violated that whatever violated either is a false religion that libels falsehood and defamation, equally with heresy,( false doctrine)(the loretta nall case in alabanama case num dc 2002-1006-1007 is violation of speech and the prees) and are withheld from the cognizance of the federal tribunals.in section # 8 it says that if case is made federal  by (casus foederis) that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen. freedom of the press speech and religion has been violated , and case has been made federal by ( casus foederis ) seizing the rights of the states,and consolidating them in to the hands of the general government, with a power assumed to binned the states,in all cases whatsoever by laws made, not  with are consent, but by other against their consent  thus surrendering the form of government we have chosen we are living under one deriving its power from its Owen will, and not from our authority ! in the constitution there is perversion to take back the government is says to get a hold of are legislatures and call for a committee of  conference and correspondence be appointed .I am emailing this out to how ever will listen  this is not are government we need to take it back!!!!!!  i,ve sent package out to Kendrick meek and Tim Ryan office  in Washington DC I think these men have faith in the constitution.I have the precedent that makes the numerous and valuable inhabitants of these states reduced to outlaws and put us under the absolute dominion of one man!                                                              



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                     PLEASE FORWARD GET THE WORD OUT !
coc
04/08/06 - 12:09:50 Posted By: ec dan

aloha and blessings. we give thanks and praises to Haoma. We have OUR 3 wisemen and Haoma is our Guide. True is our reward and freedom our lover.
ec dan,puna
ILEGAL ARRESTS OF DAN & MARI
07/11/06 - 03:02:26 Posted By: Magus Antiwolf

Our government has declared war on its own people as well as people around the world. based soley on religious belief and expression.
It is time for we the people to stand up in one clear voice demanding our rights be restored. Using any means necessary, using violence as a VERY last resort.
We of the Temple of the Whitewolf  send positive thoughts and warm wishes to all of the POWs including and especilly Dan and Mari.
Giving a moment of silence during our sacred herbal rituals, showing our solidarity in this common cause.  
Hoping the insanity is quickly squashed, allowing average american citizens to go about their daily lives. persuing happiness as guaranteed by our founding fathers.

Magus Antiwolf
King of the Cauldron
Temple of the WhiteWolf

Comments can be directed to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANTIWOLF/
hi
08/30/06 - 09:41:12 Posted By: mari

Hi I now live in florida. whats going on with Mary,Dan from Pima az.?I am an old member of church . love&respect peace.   later    Mari
What Soma, Soma: By E.C. Danuel Quaintance 1996
01/11/07 - 21:22:15 Posted By: Dan

"What Soma, Soma" revised in 1996 is included in the Neo-Zoroastrian Book of Cognizance, an expanding volume of Cogniscenti Wisdom. Below is a link to a copy in the Public Theology Forum http://haoma.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=forum&board=public_theo

Below is a direct link to the Article which includes links to Archeological Evidence which is also included in the NeoZoroastrian Book of Cognizance:

http://haoma.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=forum&board=public_theo&op=display&num=63

There is also some Bible quotes at the Public Theo Forum.

dan&mary's Monastery-HEMPorium
01/12/07 - 07:15:52 Posted By: Dan

Greetings Cogniscenti,Guest,Family, and Friends,

E.C. Dan and Mary Quaintance, invite you to a recommended visit at their Family Oriented Monastic Order (FOMO) website. Set up as a Wiki style website makes it easy to navigate the extensive research connecting Haoma with Marijuana and it’s fascinating history, expanded information about the Church of Cognizance, and more detailed information about our ongoing Legal battles in pursuit of "Fundamental Human Rights", and Religious Liberty, in America and around the World. Please visit us today at http://danmary.org.
Where to find the coc
04/12/07 - 15:18:14 Posted By:

Where can I join the coc? I live in Phoenix, Arizona.
Where to find the coc
04/24/07 - 10:04:22 Posted By: Dan

Greetings Anonymous Coward ;-)

In light of today's persecution of those that truely desire to practice the religion their conscience directs, we can appreciate wanting to remain anonymous. The best we can tell you is that this is the page where membership information and information about the COC is located. Look above, there are two links, one is a form that can be filled out and mailed to the Cultural Information Center of the Church of Cognizance that maintains a record of registered members. The other option is to use the link below that link to register online and your information will go to the same location and be kept as a matter of record. All registered members are entered in the online database, which only discloses the name of your monastery, and the fact you are a registered member. An example of that database can be accessed from the help menu link at the top of this or any other page on this website. The help menu is in the link on the top right hand side of the pages. As far as giving out information of other monasteries we do not do that because of the persecution. I can tell you there are several monasteries in the Phoenix area, but like yourself most prefer to remain anonymous.
Thank you for your interest and have a great day.

"good thoughts, good words, good deeds"
May peace be with you and your's

 E.C. Danuel D. Quaintance
 Church of Cognizance
help
06/09/07 - 13:00:24 Posted By: mari

Mary, Dan I am having problem with sign in  had to go on line as a guest,should I re register? I hope to se you all soon . stay strong.         always Mari
Guest Comments
12/09/08 - 09:58:42 Posted By: Dan

A comment spammer has been hitting this page with such frequency that I have had to temporarily turn off guest posting. For now registered members should still be able to post. If not please use the "contact" link at the bottom of this page to send email with your comment and if approved it will be posted, or in the alternative please post in the general forum.

 Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience.

"Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds"

  EC Danuel  
diffusion of the church
04/06/10 - 05:09:22 Posted By: sadhusan

Hello i m Vinz i would like to work for the diffusion of the COC, please let me know if i can take any contact in Italy or Europe.
Thanks
my mail address is sadhusan@virgilio.it
READ
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