I was working on a paper about Hard-Determinism. When I realized that a religion can form out of Hard-Determinism because of how drastically different it is to current mentality. Hard-Determinism is scientific fact. Philosophy is only now catching up to understanding Determinism, and is facing a large amount of resistance.
Hard-Determinism on a large scale isn't sceduled to become dominant for at least another 15 years.
Here is a quote from:
THE PHILOSOPHICAL FORUM Volume XXXIII, No. 1, Spring 2002
IS HARD DETERMINISM A FORM OF COMPATIBILISM? JEREMY RANDEL KOONS
"Libertarianism is ailing. Once the preferred account of free will, it has now fallen into considerable disfavor. Most philosophers are suspicious of libertarian accounts of agent causation and unmoved movers, and are convinced that the opposite of determinism is not freedom, but indeterminism. I think that libertarianismís current low state is entirely justiﬁed. I will not argue for this conclusion, as it has been adequately argued elsewhere. This conclusion leaves only hard determinism and compatibilism on the ﬁeld. Although hard determinism is scarcely more popular than libertarianism, many philosophers seem to reject it, not because of its philosophical implausibility, but because they fear the consequences of its being true. Metaphysiciansí inability to come up with a satisfactory compatibilist account is thus a source of worry, and might lead one to fear that hard determinism is true."
After this these are my personal views though they are very open to logical debate(finding flaws in logic/premises).
Under Hard-Determinism: premise:All things that exist have been caused. theory: Where each event in the universe is "caused" by the sum of events at the previous Planck(length of time).
ni'o(topic) All the "decisions" you have made can be "causally linked" to before you were born.
ni'o Under Hard-Determinism one can predict and understand things in terms of correlation. Certain events at this instance in time, correlate to certain events in the next/previous instance in time.
Everyone is Innocent -- There is no way you could have done otherwise. So if you smoke/distribute/grow marijuana, you are simply doing what you were meant to do.
This also means that if someone murdered someone else they are not at fault anymore than society or the sun is.
The solution is that we are a collection of elementary particles that remmembers it's past mistakes and can calculate to avoid making previous and potential mistakes.
Experimental belief(I haven't yet verified this) -- start -- From the perspective of the universe you are different from your surroundings because you have greater entropy than the average rock say. We humans have very similar entropy to each other as we are of the same class. -- end --
Just as you consider yourself one person even though you have two brains(right/left) connected by a high bandwidth connection (Corpus Callosum)-- it insures that the information recieved to one of the brains is known by the other brain, allowing for similar experiences more harmony with similar values -- you can consider yourself one with your significant other by utilizing the low-bandwidth connection you have available to you(conversation).
Same goes for a larger group of people. (I'm smoking Marijuana stems(I'm dry) through a bong while writing this whole post.)
The goverment today , the law, society as a whole. Is a relatively immortal creature. It has many disposable bodies and lots of backups of it's information through writing culture and other forms of media today.
Here's a set of possible morals of a post-singularitarian in the form of a story:
Say you are relatively immortal(having a disposable body and lots of backups of your conscious state which is housed on media created by you through nano-technology) and lived in a society of total anarchy -- I forcast 2048CE or earlier based on Ray Kurzweil's predictions about the Singularity(exponential growth of technology). to(comment) that was a long sentance toi(end comment). So someone(human) kills your body walking around. You feel pity upon this human and try to teach them the ways of the Singularity, they refuse to listen and go around killing your friends bodies and generally vandalizing what you and your friends have created -- maybe they are an anti-singularitarian.
You wouldn't want to kill the human as it's not their fault for coming there killing and vandalising. You would first want to try and teach them about your ways, maybe add them as a member to your group to broaden your perspective of ways to achieve your goals. If that fails you could probably try ostricizing them -- make a fence, try to keep them away from harming you, burn cannabis to sedate them -- remmber to always leave the option of becoming a Singularitarian open to them. If they persist try relocating them, ask them where they want to go, make sure they have the resources to support themselves where they are going(You are a being of abundance of resources because of the Singularity). If they don't want to leave where they are, you should probably move yourself. If you can't move try hiding your presence from them. If you can't hide, move them to other places and provide for them forcibly. If they return and you still can't leave. You may wish to take measures to defend your existance.
NOTE: This set of values and all the above can be used as a doctrine to advance this religion beyond all others. We can come together work towards the Singularity. We will gain lots of respect and popularity from the media, change public opinion, and get Marijuana to be legal .ui(happiness).
Good insight Dan. I see matters in a similar manner also but tend to express it in simple terms. "God" is invisible energy, spirit, aliveness, movement or "awareness". The great "I AM". But it feels better to be self-aware as something or someone, somewhere, in some way, at some time and for some reason than to the contrary. Since intelligence at it's simplest is the tendency to gravitate towards pleasure and away from pain - "God" creatively "created" these various scenarios over "time"
(I just got a call from my job that I have to come in early for work so I am going to make this brief.)
Consciousness likes to rule, be appreciated, served, be healthy, wealthy and wise, and live as well as be at peace and experience pleasure. "God" found that it didn't work however when it wasn't shared equally. (I.E. Satan rebelled against God because he had something to resent or be jealous of.)
God learned from that and created us as sons and daughters that he gave all he had to and asked us to be equal-heirs of it. Sons and daughters of God are merely God's preferred individualized expressions and experiences of itself in order to enjoy itself.
But no one has listened - yet. That is where we MUST be different - if we are going to be "different". It is what "Jesus" was all about. Self-awareness in this form first survives as such, becomes secure in that and enjoys it and then perfects or maximises that enjoyment. That happens as one's body become transformed from flesh and blood to light and as they are willing to share the benefits equally. The latter is as important as the former.
This is the whole purpose of man and is the entire point of the Bible. Jesus made it all available to us NOW! I am presently reprogramming my belief system with this Truth so as to manifest it in my experience. This is my story and I am sticking to it.
Are you saying everything is determined and pre planed by a diety? If you really believe this you do not look before you cross the street or stop at stop signs. Also two gods wouldn't be able to exist at the same time (a diety and a devil} as one would be able to wipe the other out. Or do you not claim to be using logic and are only making a great leap to faith. Stick to reality it always rules. Pat
Existence is very organized by the aspects of it that are "in charge". Else we would have chaos and not an orderly creation. It is simply an orderliness that has been found experientially to work.
"Darkness" has it own form of orderliness that works for it. However, it is short term, counter-productive, self-defeating and ultimately self-destructive. "Light" has discovered an order that promotes the most of what it wants, in the greatest way possible, for the whole of itself, for the longest period of time. That gives it control over its destiny. That's what we want.
Light is the most powerfull, invulnerable form of existence. It also travels the fastest and illumines the most. It can't be caught or hurt by and enemy and since it sees faster and further than anything else it is also more inteligent and wise. It has also found that the best way to exist as light is for all self-aware units of light to live for the good of all units equally. Thus no resentment or jealousy or rebellion. Just all living happily ever after.
Let's see. Hmmm... I'm thinking. Can't top that.
Regarding that... Life is somewhat set in it's basic form of motion. Sort of life an interactive computer game. The basics of the game is already in place. That's the determinism part. But it is also interactive. That's where free will comes in. Jesus gave us all the cheat codes. It is up to us to do play well and use the cheat codes or not.
Are you saying that the church should take measures to protect our existance? With what has gone on in the courts, i'd say that is a pretty good conclusion. Any advise as to how? Not that i think for a moment that a court can bang a gavel and declare us not a church and that NeoZoroastrianism is not a religion. But it is obvious that they will not recognize us and that we will be 'punished' for doing what is good, and harming none.
As for all the religious philosophy, I think that both Zoroaster and Jesus spoke pretty plainly about staying 'aware'and 'recognizing when things are amiss'and 'thinking for oneself'. They both spoke out against big organized 'religion' forcing the blind sheeples into mindless and misplaced devotion.
Curtis, As far as lightworkers go...yes, keeping our eyes/minds/hearts focused on the light is always a good thing. The angel of Haoma came to Zoroaster as he prayed before the holy fire and its light. We gain wisdom and other blessings, by doing the same while keeping ourselves focused on "Good Thoughts, Good Words, and Good Deeds". These are the holy ritual words that the Hom Yasht speaks of. A main part of the ritual is to be filled with the connective goodness and blessings of Haoma/Marijuana.
Regarding determinism - our founding fathers had no problem in fighting for their freedom if it came down to it. As above - so below. The microcosm is as the macrocosm and vice versa.
In that regard our HU-MAN bodies fight mutant, cancerous cells or viruses and if the body is healthy enough via proper "nutrition" etc it will automatically convert the cell to a healthy cell if possible. If not it will quanrantine it and/or kill it. The "survival" instinct rules. ALWAYS.
Each HU-MAN is a cell in the corporate "body of Christ" or God = "I AM" consciousness. That supreme intelligence of all creation is doing the same to it's "body" that we (or it) do to ours. We each must decide what type of cell we are going to be in the corporate "body" of HU-MANITY and then be prepared to deal with the consequences. Pretty simple really. I like simple don't you?
Some observers or participants may wonder if I truly am a believer in Zorastrianism because of my comments about the essence of existence or "All THAT IS" as well the conception, constituion and function of all "creation". However, the opposite is actually true. I have just put "first things first" - but I am getting to that.
I simply use the Bible because I am most familiar with it. I do not believe that it "takes away" from Zorastrianism. Maybe I am wrong and I am submit myself to the administrator, members and guest of this forum for correction or for enlightenment.
The main point that I agree on with Zoraster (and that may be enough) is that "marijuana" was the "tree of life" that was in the garden of Eden. It was put their by the invisible creator who created the heavens and earth as a sustainable environment for mankind and to provide a "kingdom" for them to rule over. (Please read my previous post regarding this concept for understanding of what I mean by this most profound statement.)
We are the "apple of God's eye", the "sun rises and sets" on us as far as God is concerned. We are the individualized expressions of God and together we make up the corporate "house" of the ONE great "I AM". As such it is clearly God's intent to to experience "life more abundantly", through us as well as "joy unspeakable" and for our bodies to be "full of glory" (transformed into light bodies).
Now back to my original point. Adam and Eve were supposed to "eat" of the Tree of Life not only for physical sustenaince and "life" enhancemant (i.e. tree of "life") but for mental and especially spiritual enlightenment. Again this was suppossed to lead them to the "perfected" state of existence that I am referring to so God could experience what God wanted to experience through us when he created us for this purpose.
Prime Directive: Unless we understand and cooperate with the "purpose" of a thing - we will misunderstand it (duh), and consequently misuse, abuse and missaply it. Therefore, it is of ultimate importance that I understand the intended purpose for my creation and function as well the intended purpose for the creation and function of the Tree of Life.
I am to worship and serve the creator - not the creation. "I AM" (in me and you) is the creator. The Tree of Life is the a part of the creation (although an ultimately vital part). It didn't create "me". "I" created it for my own purpose and use. It exist to "serve" me. I do NOT exist to serve it. Otherwise I become an idolater. I might as well be worshiping any other created thing.
Now this may fly in the face of your present "religion" but all "religion" should serve us - we should not serve it. "Religion" is simply a means to an end. It is not the end in itself. I submit this to the members of the church of cognizance for thought, and perhaps integration into their present belief system. I truly believe that it would do you more good in and of itself and would also make your "beliefs" more "plausible", believeable and acceptable to millions of others.
If our goal is to truly help others then we should do all that we can to do so if it does not diminish our life but may in fact enhance it. The apostle Paul said, "I become all things to all men that I might by all means win some." He was not compromising his beliefs but just making a point regarding his priorities.
According to the Bible Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived besides Jesus. He said, "A wise man wins souls". The only way to increase God's enjoyment through us is to add to the quality of our life and add to our numbers who equally experience that quality of life. In that regard if you want to win someone - you have to know how they think and what will appeal to them - no you. Then you use that short of compromising you convictions.
Zoraster was a man the same as me. I can potentially hear from the God inside me for myself just as much if not more than he did. Although I may recognize, honor and use some of his revelations and beliefs - I do not limit myself to them nor put myself in bondage to them.
Instead I pick and chose those that serve me best and leave the rest. Why would I employ them in my life if they do not serve my interests? That would only put me in bondage to them and diminish my life. That is what we are trying to avoid right? We must always be diligent that we ourselves do not fall into the category of those who "promise people liberty but actually bring them into bondage". We already have enough of that in the world don't we?
Please understand that I am not "attacking" anyone's beliefs. Rather I am only attempting to "explain the WAY of LIFE a little more accurately" - just as Apollos did to some fellow believers in the book of Acts in the Bible. Why am I doing this? It is my gift to the world. It is who I am and what I do. It is how God made me. Why should I resist His Will. I can do nothing else. I must do this whether it is recognized or appreciated by others as such or not.
A word about "rituals". Again they exist to serve us - we do not exist to serve them nor should we be put into bondage to them. Actually they should not always be needed. They are meant only to be instruments of service to help us get somewhere. When we get there - we know longer need them.
A good example of this concept is given in 1 Corinthians of the Bible. All knowledge, wisdom and spiritual "gifts" etc are to assist to come to a place of absolute ONENESS with God. When we reach that place we no longer need. That is my only point in reference to my comments about rituals. No disrespect for the rituals are intended.
Let me close this post with this final comment. As a "Kingdom (of God) Consultant" - if I have been given the insight into how something "ought" to be - it is easy for me to spot when it is not. I have fasted for as long as 70 days at a time and went on many extended fast over many years and spiritual quests (at times using hemp to assist me) to come to this understanding of life. I didn't just read about it in some book.
Dan & Mary Quaintance know this about me. I have personally known them for many, many years - even before they established the Church of Cognizance. I consider them very dear friends. I have ate and drank and partook of the sacred herb with them many times in their home. I observed their children growing up. I have even taken them food when they needed it. I love Mary to pieces, as well as their children (and grand children) and I have always admired Dan's mind. Regardless of what the future hold's for us - this will always be the case as far as I am concerned.